The Fairy Tale Lies of Christianity? How About The Universal Abuses By Human Psychosocial Biological Tendencies?
Comment by Ch Go
Mark Rego Monteiro Mister, if you can clone yourself, please do so. Our world needs more men with such views. That African woman who started th re- greening of Africa, trying to correct th damage done by cristian Europeans ( read Leakey's " White African"), I'd be thrilled if she were Empress of Earth for a few years. Th small bank concept, put him up there to help her. But, please, Let's drop th fairy story lies of cristianity. Absolutely everything about that religion,( which holds world record for causing more pain, suffering, misery, death, backwardness than other human concept) , everything about it was stolen ( stolen, not borrowed) from previous religions. Amusing, only cristian I ever heard of honest enough to admit that, an American Roman Catholic Bishop, writing in American Catholic Digest, 20th century.
Ji Ke
@Ch Go "Let's drop th fairy story lies of Cristianity"
Amen .... (and even that is patriarchal 🙂. "Amusing, only cristian I ever heard of honest enough to admit that, an American Roman Catholic Bishop, writing in American Catholic Digest, 20th century."
Remember his name, Ch?
Mark Rego Monteiro
Ch Go Well, I´m glad to see your enthusiasm and imagination. I don´t agree with your unbalanced bashing of Christianity. "Absolutely everything about that religion....world records of pain....stolen...."
The simplest way to address such scapegoating is to be clear about the universality of human violence and enslavement. The term "world records of pain" you use with Christianity reflects an important issue not to be mistaken.
The first issue of having concepts and information at one´s fingertips to even confuse issues on such a grand scale is one key. The key is history and sociology. Thomas Aquinas at the U of Paris made key contributions by linking Aristotle´s esoterica First Cause to the Creator God clarified by Jesus, identifying as the Son of God/Man, as loving and lawful, in the legacy of Moses and his burning bush, et al. The empirical context of a Creator God, now confirmed by scientific philosophy itself, is not to be underestimated.
And it is Aquinas´ pivotal work that then led to Luther´s amazing inspired, with all the unleashed brutality surrounding it, Reformation, the Scientific Revolution by Christians, the Enlightenment by Christians in all their expressive forms, and so on.
As the Christians survived intact the tribal invasions of the Western Roman Empire and converted the tribes with missionaries alone, the path was set to Charlemagne, as they survived the Islamic invasions. Genghis Khan killed 40 to 60 mn in conquest before becoming something of a kind of tolerant ruler. Do we count the Khans who devastated Baghdad in 1258? As the Italians around Marco Polo´s time prospered, the voyages of Prince Henry the Navigator became possible as they defeated the Muslims at Ceuta, N Africa, etc. Merchants and soldiers used the modest advances of Christians at that time, as historian J Hannam has noted from the plow to the gun.
Acknowledging foreign influences does not justify denying the innovative accomplishments of Christians and their own legitimate, and significant identity. For anyone in the Christian context as we are, that is in fact a form of self-hatred. For anyone not, it is scapegoating and its own forms of hatred.
It is thus that the world functioning by conflict shifts the historical and sociological paradigm. Judging Christians as despicable conquerors reflects at best a view based on UN human rights. That is a standard established by the Social Gospel legacy of FD Roosevelt. It is, however, anachronistic and a category error. Jesus´ highest standard of loving integrity became a core element of a culture operating in a world of people hardly based on Hare Krishna dancing in the streets.
Nor did Christian society have necessary and sufficient tools with its having developed modern philosophy after Thomas Aquinas in the 1200s. What is Christian integrity and hypocrisy in Just Wars? Unempirical philosophical analysis can be mocked in Monty Python films as a village metaphysician asks "How do you know she is a witch?" While the British and other European Empires splayed the world, their only "crime" was being more powerful than the conquerors they encountered. If the Spanish had been conquered by the Muslims in 711, and drove them in the Reconquest from Iberia in 1492, what is the nature of their war trauma? From the psychotherapeutic perspective, we can recognize that the Muslims had forced them to endure extended conditions of submission to a foreign conqueror and conflict.
The massive violence against indigenous peoples is a crime now that we have FD Roosevelt´s UN human rights having been proposed, then negotiated with the world. The Conquistadors, however, were merchants and soldiers unleashed in a world of violence. The indigenous Brazlilians in contact with the Jesuits M da Nobrega didn´t focus on summoning spiritual healing. Cannibals, they ate one of the Jesuits. Nobrega, for his part, was able to conceive of the problem of adult language learning, and the solution of bringing together indigenous kids and orphan kids from Portugal to interact and learn to speak each others´ language in the 1500s.
Olaudah Equiano the free British African, was the son of a slaveholder, while Queen Nzinga of Ndongo was fortunate to have survived various executions of rivals, as a woman and daughter of a slave-wife. China´s Hongwu Emperor had scraped his way to power from humble origins, and murdered many. And so on and so forth everywhere.
European merchants and soldiers weren´t extraterrestrials for all their technological advantages. They were naughty kids with big guns, not even Fransciscan monks.
We all have blood on our hands, not just Christians, and there are differences in standards for nominal and authentic, and those with and without spiritual-religious training, and all that.
The proof is in the pudding. FDR´s Social Gospel UN human rights, with Eleanor´s important work as well, is an excellent signpost, as is his contemporary Gandhi and Kasturbai. Rev MLK and Fannie Lou Hamer came a little after for additional references, just to start a conversation about the meaning of how human psychosocial biological tendenicies correlate with universal violence and enslavement. "Christianity", meanwhile, became so complex with its University-based philosophical scholarship that it has had the capacity to conquer the world even before the UN was set up. Even then, westernization continued because of the standard set by secular western culture and its appeal. In fact, the pressures continued. The distinctions aren´t Christianity, in fact, except to understand nominal versus authentic and high integrity.
The problem is materialism in three main forms: secular, scientific, and economic. Without reference to spiritual-religious practice and knowledge, the need to advance Jesus´ loving integrity through University-based structured pluralism is what has remained. Resistance against not Christianity, but the unleashed power of it in the hands of human psychosocial biologically impulsive materialists of all kinds, summed up as business and corporate profiteering. Civil Society represents the love of democratic culture, which isn´t opposed to Christianity, it is the very integrity that is necessary to take effective action.
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